10a1 2009 Mazda RX 8 R3: Fiend vs. Fiend

Levy: At the breakfast spot during the recent 2009 Mazda6 media intro, Mazda lined up their full range for us to take in over the usual junket fair of lukewarm scrambled eggs and chicken sausage. Smack in the middle was the scowling face of the refreshed for 2009 RX8 in red you see here. The fat rim/tire package and Recaro seat badges tipped me off that it was no run of the mill RX, but the new for ‘09 R3 package. As a fan of the RX8 I quizzed one of the PR dudes on what I was looking at. Slightly stripped and tuned for track was the answer, so I immediately put in my reservation for one from the press fleet. Unusually, we actually got bumped to the front of the line (thanks, Eric) and the same little beastie that was sitting on the lawn of the Westlake Village Four Seasons was delivered to Overamerica Towers just last week. Jonny and I smacked over 600 miles on her in short order, a lot of that going up and down what is becoming the Autofiends unofficial test track, Little Tujunga Canyon. Both of us are fighting over who’s buying one first…

Lieberman: Levy ain’t fibbing. I’d driven the older RX-8s, and while fine, they’re nothing to start saving your pennies about. The RX8 R3 is different. I’m still excited. I’m still having trouble comprehending how utterly wonderful this car is. I mean, I’m really, actually, truly 100% surprised by this car. When you and I took the EVO X over Little Tujunga I thought we had found the perfect car. And while the EVO is still fantastically great, the RX-8 R3 might be better. I mean, when you strip all the hype away, the EVO is an econo-box tuned to within an inch of its life. The Lancer’s FWD chassis still wants to understeer first, and Mitsubishi has to deploy an army of engineers and supercomputers to make the rally star behave the way it does on the Play Station. Flip that coin and it’s clear that the RX-8’s platform is born to carve corners, and the R3 removes all short comings. What I’m saying is, I enjoyed the RX-8 R3 more than the EVO. Am I crazy?

7a 2009 Mazda RX 8 R3: Fiend vs. Fiend

Levy: No, not crazy. Before I get into the driving experience lets talk about what’s new. For 2009 all RX-8s get a facelift — a more angular and aggressive front end. Combined with the car’s already prominent front fenders and there’s some Furai-ness to the look. R3 adds only side skirts, fog lights, “sporty” front bumper and a tasteful rear spoiler along with the 19-inch dark gray forged rims wrapped up in sticky Bridgestone Potenza rubber. The sum of those parts telegraph its clear purpose making you look. Inside there’s a pair of super-snug, lightweight, cloth covered Recaro chairs and a pumped up 300 watt Bose sound system with Bluetooth — but inexcusably, no iPod connection. The seats are clearly the JDM models as, unlike those in the EVO you and I dig so much, these are slightly snug for our USDM girth. Even at my 200 lbs plus they are useable, but at 6 feet tall, they could be mounted a couple of inches lower. Under the skin, not a whole lot is changed. R3 specific Bilsteins shocks are tethered to a body that’s stiffened by some additional structural reinforcements including a trapezoidal strut tower bar. Rear suspension across the range for ‘09 gets a slight makeover with revised geometry and the final drive is dropped from 4.444:1 to 4.777:1 for extra snap off the line from the rotary. All small changes that add up to a mind-blowing difference. Right Jonny?

Lieberman: Mind-blowing, mind-melting, myth-shattering, paradigm shifting — however you want to term it, you’re absolutely right. I’m also too fat for the Recaros, but one thing I like about ‘em is the crazy ribcage bolstering forces your elbows up so that your wrists are just hanging there at 9 and 3. There’s no iPod because you can’t bend your elbow down enough to grab the thing. I had a hard time drinking a soda or looking at my phone. And that’s good. The R3 is for driving, real driving, and nothing else. The best handling car I’ve ever driven is a Se7en built out of Miata components. I got to run it over the Tail of the Dragon and a year and a half on, I’m sill in a bit of shock at how direct it drove. I managed to stay on a Yamaha R1’s butt the whole way up and if there was no oncoming traffic, woulda passed him. And I imagine I’ll be saying the same thing about the R3 a few seasons from now. This 4-door Mazda drives like a race car. The R3 doesn’t fight you at any point along the way. And just like Se7ens, don’t let the perceived lack of power deceive you. The R3 is light — weighing in at just 3,056 pounds. The 232 hp and 159 lb-ft or torque is perfectly suited to carving canyons or track day work. Sure, it’s not that fast 0-60, but then again, that’s not really the point, is it?

2a 2009 Mazda RX 8 R3: Fiend vs. Fiend

Levy: I find it bizarre. The last RX-8 I drove was the 40th Anniversary model which Chris Hull managed to get pinched in doing 85 in a 35 on downtown LA streets!! It was also a great car to drive. I personally enjoy the RX-8s because they wrap around you, go where you point them, grip well and communicate what’s going on. But with seemingly minor tweaks, the R3 jumps into new territory and achieves driver’s car greatness. There’s some voodoo going on here, somewhere. The pure mechanical grip that the front end has when you rail into a turn can’t be matched by an AWD rally replica that’s harnessed by electronics. The steering is light, but loads perfectly, and, with your elbows backed into the Recaro bolsters, lets you adjust your line millimeter by millimeter.

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15 Responses to “2009 Mazda RX-8 R3: Fiend vs. Fiend”

  1. Jeff Glucker says:

    Now I see what you were talking about…

    I hope one of these pops up in my office parking lot soon.

  2. ark says:

    So you guys would take the R3 over the EVO X, but would you take it over the Elise/Exige?

  3. Steve Levy says:

    To drive every day–R3 over Lotus definitely. Big price difference too! As a garage toy and track tool, well an Elise/Exige for sure, especially SC version, and again really only if money was no object. But it usually isn’t! This car is really stunningly good.

  4. Rory says:

    Guys, having just rushed over to the Mazda site after reading this, it does list an aux input as standard equipment in the stereo department. Not an iPod interface, but good enough for me.

    I drove the last RX-8 in standard trim in ‘06 at Pocono Raceway. I have always loved Mazda Miatas and the older RX-7s because they are so communicative. As a driver you never get that surprising scare that can make you feel unsafe in a car (911). Even a no-talent novice like me can feel free to explore the limits of the car and be fairly secure in the notion that it’s not going to try and kill you if you look at it the wrong way.

  5. TheRedCar says:

    Just to say I said it…

    I’ve had one for 4 years now and I still don’t know what I’d replace it with.

    It’s a great Jekyl and Hyde car. Very refined and relaxed when your wiped out from a long day at work and are stuck traffic and a sublime road carver when you want it.

    And it still makes a fairly decent family car. Our family of 3 has taken several overnight road trips in ours with no complaints.

  6. TheRedCar says:

    I picked up a nice item a few years ago off a RX8Club forum member who made up a ipod interface that works off the optional Tape/Minidisc input. It works perfectly and was only about $40.

  7. Auger says:

    Hi, Ipod interface is available in Europe so it should be available in the US, cost is £180. I have an R3 which replaced my 04 231, Mazda have improved on perfection the R3 is a real Beast Jekyl and Hyde is right. I love the look on M3 drivers faces when then get left

  8. Nevryn says:

    Any idea how the handling of the R3 compares to the handling of the PZ? Both seem to be aimed in the same direction.

  9. Auger says:

    Sadly Mazda have manage to drop the ball on the IPOD interface, currently they are investigating why the one supplied did not fit, I have my suspicions but we will see. So currently I retract my last statement, I had one on order and it did not fit :-) it remains to be seen if Mazda will sort it out.

  10. It’s nice, beautiful and stylish, but still has one lack or it’s better to say exaggeration – it is too close to the earth, so it can be used only in places with a perfect road, and where there are any obstacles it won’t break through them…

    • Dave says:

      I really love the way this car looks! It just speaks to me, and the fact that you see so very few on the road is something I like. I just worry about how it is as a daily driver, and the extra attention it needs? Do I save a few bucks and get the kick in the pants mazdaspeed 3, the v6 track Genesis Coupe, or do I fly to texas and drive back in a r3 with 3400 miles for 24500?

      • HiFlite999 says:

        RX-8. Neither the -3 or the Genesis couple will ever come up for discussion as to what the best handling cars in the world are … the RX will every time. It’s not a “parts bin” car with components from here there and everywhere. The Genesis is downright crude in comparison. I <3 my 8!

      • Mathieu says:

        I have an 05 rx8 GT and, while not an R3, is very close. When I was shopping for it, I also had the opportunity to get a Speed3. Thing is, where I live Mazda 3s are a dime a dozen and the Speed3 is a nicely done mazda3, lots of power but still a Mazda 3. Same with the Evo (even more power and a great drivetrain) but it’s still a Lancer. The RX-8 was designed from the ground up to be a great driver car :)

  11. AWjay says:

    Test drove one last week.
    I want to trade in my 05′ for a new R3…wish they came in white :/

  12. I have owned an RX-8 in soon three years now and im getting more and more excited about the car everyday. After I started to drive it a tracks this year I can’t figure out any car less then a GT3-RS to get as a replacement. Now release that 16x rotary Mazda!! Best Regards \\Ingemar

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